Friday, March 16, 2007

Purity

Lady Sovereign in "Love Me or Hate Me":
If you love me then thank you!
If you hate me then fuck you! (Full lyrics)

We don't need no faces, it doesn't need to be complicated...

16 comments:

Husams said...

"I find you very attractive. Your aggressive moves toward me indicate that you feel the same way. But still, ritual requires that we go through a number of platonic activities before we...have sex. I'm simply proceeding with those activities. But in point of actual fact, all I really want to do is have intercourse with you as soon as possible. You're gonna slap me now." Nash - ;)

Devil's Mind said...

"Love is fucking with the minds" - Not sure who said that :)

The Observer said...

If you hate me, then I will try to make you love me, if I failed, then it doesn't matter, I will get out of your life, or you would have to deal with the annoyment of the hate feeling.

It is complicated :P

Devil's Mind said...

If you know that a person likes people with characteristic X, and hates people with characteristic Y. You have the latter hated characteristic. Would u go out of you way and hide the characteristic Y and show X instead so that they'd love ya?! Wouldn't that constitute putting faces?!

Husams said...

Nah, as long as you are showing X then you are an X, do it till to you die and you will die as an X. the truth is just what you believe it is ;)

The Observer said...

devil's mind, no I wont.

Maybe I can show characteristic Y in a good way where he might changes his mind, or I might show him other characteristics that I have where it would help to make him love me as a whole.

Each one of us has a bad characteristic. I look around me, and see that in each person I know, no matter how close he is, I find something that I don't like, but as a sum, I like all.

Tala said...

purity is not being indifferent. purity is being yourself without the attitude of take it or leave it.

people who care for you should be able to understand you no matter what status you were in. at least know how to cope with it and know about its existance. thats why yes, you should keep characteristic Y otherwise if out of no control it came up to the surface one would say at some point you were hiding and things start getting bigger.

but for husams, if i got you right, does what you say mean that you should not reveal your insecurities to close people?

Husams said...

Well, I just said what you are is just what you do, and people do change. just ask your self are you happier with person Z and characters X, or with characters Y and without person Z. You will get the answer. Based on the given assumption that person Z and characters Y can’t meet.

Anyway All this was just about characters, but insecurities hell ya sure you should hide them, then later use them to get some sympathy and extra care from the special person :p

Tala said...

Well, I just said what you are is just what you do Amen, i used to think we are what we think, but in reality, its what we do based on what we think.

why did you choose Z in the first place? it should answer whether you can cope with X or not. its a relative value. its not about Y, Y is a variable that differs as you age.

its not right to hide your insecurities to the point where who is with you is attached enough to want to deal with them because they like you enough.

Devil's Mind said...

"just ask your self are you happier with person Z and characters X, or with characters Y and without person Z." - True: Thats the general case.

But the question that poses itself: Why should I care for a person who doesn't care about me?! If that person would hate me simply for having a characteristic that he dislike.

"Each one of us has a bad characteristic. I look around me, and see that in each person I know, no matter how close he is, I find something that I don't like, but as a sum, I like all." - So all in all, you will not hate someone for having a characteristic you dislike.... Which is a good thing!

Husams said...

"But the question that poses itself: Why should I care for a person who doesn't care about me?!"

hmm, interesting question, as I see it and based on my sense of logic, we do the act of caring because of our selves, we do it to get the feed back from caring by inner satisfaction, which is the final aim, even the mother raising her son and caring about him to grow up well, it is just about her self and her feeling of satisfaction and the son simply benefiting from it, as well as a masochist caring about his dominatrix though she mistreats him, is a clear example of why would someone care about a person who doesn’t care about him. You are only caring about your self through others.


Tala, yes I generally agree with you.

Devil's Mind said...

I agree with you Husams: You are speaking of the general case. That is to say, the way it works for almost anyone in any case.

What I am talking about applies to certain specific cases, not all cases....

Nonetheless, allow me clear one confusion: I recognize that there are several reasons for someone to want another to like him, or care for someone without being cared for in return. But as you said, if a mother cares for* her child, this doesn't mean that she cares about** him. So she only cares about herself, but she does that by caring for her child. Right?!

* "Care for" means "to look after" eg: The nurse cares for the patients.
** "Care about" means "Be concerned about" eg: The teacher cares about his student's performance.

Husams said...

well, i meant and said the mother cares about her child not just for her child, sure the mother is concerned about her child. she would even end her life to defend his life. I'm not trying to decrease of the noble acts she is doing, but I just meant any single act you are doing including caring about others is related to your feeling of self satisfaction. imagine the mother seeing something bad happened to her son, she will be hurt, so she is protecting him because she doesnt want to be hurt.

But back to your first question which is i guess related to a more practical aspect of life, i guess you are meaning for example a guy likes a girl who is known of not liking atheists, and as he is an atheist, should he hide it or not? i would agree with both the observer and Tala's answers of that he shouldnt hide it, and those who care enough would understand and yet maybe change.

Devil's Mind said...

Yeah, thats pretty much it :) If a person doesn't like me "as is", I see no point to pay the effort... Even if you manage to make that person like you, he'd not be liking the real you, just the image you present.... Except of course, if we go Observer's way, and be able to actually make the other person see things in a different light - This would be a good way to go.

I guess thats a fair conclusion to what has been said... Correct me if am wrong :)

The Observer said...

husams, you dont seize to amaze me with your answers. You always say what I believe in 100%.

I admire both of you and devil's mind. Good debate..

milanoroger said...

If you love me, enjoy it.
If you hate me, enjoy it.